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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.alattimore.com/archives/235#comment-60</link>
		<author>Anonymous</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 May 2004 20:56:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Here are some names for you to apply to future stories you may read with no character names. I think they are more or less interchangeable, and all will add greatly to the sense of characterization.
JeffV

Buckwaldo Mudthumper
Renaldo Rapunsel
Mary Hennypenny
Flapjack Magoo
Buttcheeks Halitosis
Emanuel Cant
Florida Rhymer
Irmalinda Pitkaginkel
Joseph Turnipseed
Rebecca Florescent
John Whipsnade
Laura Galinule
Lota Coupdose
Mandanger Ellipsis
Trufaldo Knickaragua
Beneficio Calendarado
Smiley Sheckles
Bubba Fatcheeks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here are some names for you to apply to future stories you may read with no character names. I think they are more or less interchangeable, and all will add greatly to the sense of characterization.<br />
JeffV</p>
<p>Buckwaldo Mudthumper<br />
Renaldo Rapunsel<br />
Mary Hennypenny<br />
Flapjack Magoo<br />
Buttcheeks Halitosis<br />
Emanuel Cant<br />
Florida Rhymer<br />
Irmalinda Pitkaginkel<br />
Joseph Turnipseed<br />
Rebecca Florescent<br />
John Whipsnade<br />
Laura Galinule<br />
Lota Coupdose<br />
Mandanger Ellipsis<br />
Trufaldo Knickaragua<br />
Beneficio Calendarado<br />
Smiley Sheckles<br />
Bubba Fatcheeks</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Lattimore</title>
		<link>http://www.alattimore.com/archives/235#comment-61</link>
		<author>Alan Lattimore</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2004 06:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Buckwaldo Mudthumper dwells on a planet that gets four feet of rain a year. The perpetual swamp outside his door threatens to float his inflatable yurt away. The door seals are shot, the reverse osmosis filter on his water tank should have been changed last year and his dehumidfier is choked with mold. When he scrubs away a blank spot in the mirror, he's pretty sure that fuzzy patch high up on his cheek is moss.

At night he dreams of ice cream.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Buckwaldo Mudthumper dwells on a planet that gets four feet of rain a year. The perpetual swamp outside his door threatens to float his inflatable yurt away. The door seals are shot, the reverse osmosis filter on his water tank should have been changed last year and his dehumidfier is choked with mold. When he scrubs away a blank spot in the mirror, he&#8217;s pretty sure that fuzzy patch high up on his cheek is moss.</p>
<p>At night he dreams of ice cream.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Lattimore</title>
		<link>http://www.alattimore.com/archives/235#comment-62</link>
		<author>Alan Lattimore</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2004 06:54:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>There are other good reasons for not using names. Horror writers often provide miniimal personalities for characters what are About to do Bad Things. It cuts down on the identification between the villain and the reader who, hopefully, will not also go out and Do Bad Things. But I'll claim this is a rightful characterization of pathology.&lt;p&gt;Certainly, great works like &lt;i&gt;Secret Life&lt;/i&gt;, which everyone should go buy and no one should be allowed to read until they're old enough to run with scissors, rises above such petty concerns. It would be ruinous, completely against the mood created by the liquid presentation of images. Go, dear reader, and seek out &lt;i&gt;Life&lt;/i&gt;.&lt;p&gt;But for the stories I've run across, the absence of name is matched by attenuated access to the characters. Don't try this at home. This technique should only be used by trained professionals on our studio lot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are other good reasons for not using names. Horror writers often provide miniimal personalities for characters what are About to do Bad Things. It cuts down on the identification between the villain and the reader who, hopefully, will not also go out and Do Bad Things. But I&#8217;ll claim this is a rightful characterization of pathology.</p>
<p>Certainly, great works like <i>Secret Life</i>, which everyone should go buy and no one should be allowed to read until they&#8217;re old enough to run with scissors, rises above such petty concerns. It would be ruinous, completely against the mood created by the liquid presentation of images. Go, dear reader, and seek out <i>Life</i>.</p>
<p>But for the stories I&#8217;ve run across, the absence of name is matched by attenuated access to the characters. Don&#8217;t try this at home. This technique should only be used by trained professionals on our studio lot.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.alattimore.com/archives/235#comment-65</link>
		<author>Anonymous</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2004 16:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I was mostly just teasing you, but I also, whenever anyone says, &#34;don't do this&#34; when it comes to writing look a little askance. The real lesson is--don't use any technique or approach if it's not right for the kind of story you're trying to tell. And be prepared to fall on your face using a particular technique or approach until you've gained some small mastery. I agree with you that there's a lot of bad horror out there in which the characters are poorly developed, and in some of them the characters have no names. But the bigger question for me is--why do magazines even take crap like that?

I'm also not claiming it works in Secret Life, although I know why I chose not to name characters in some stories.

Actually, part of the above is what you were already saying.

JeffV</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was mostly just teasing you, but I also, whenever anyone says, &quot;don&#8217;t do this&quot; when it comes to writing look a little askance. The real lesson is&#8211;don&#8217;t use any technique or approach if it&#8217;s not right for the kind of story you&#8217;re trying to tell. And be prepared to fall on your face using a particular technique or approach until you&#8217;ve gained some small mastery. I agree with you that there&#8217;s a lot of bad horror out there in which the characters are poorly developed, and in some of them the characters have no names. But the bigger question for me is&#8211;why do magazines even take crap like that?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also not claiming it works in Secret Life, although I know why I chose not to name characters in some stories.</p>
<p>Actually, part of the above is what you were already saying.</p>
<p>JeffV</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.alattimore.com/archives/235#comment-67</link>
		<author>Anonymous</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2004 13:04:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I'd like to echo Jeff's sentiments and add that, especially in first person, it may be awkward to try to sneak in a character's name--much as it's awkward to the point of cliche to have the character look in the mirror just so we can describe him.

But interesting observation!

Trent</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to echo Jeff&#8217;s sentiments and add that, especially in first person, it may be awkward to try to sneak in a character&#8217;s name&#8211;much as it&#8217;s awkward to the point of cliche to have the character look in the mirror just so we can describe him.</p>
<p>But interesting observation!</p>
<p>Trent</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Lattimore</title>
		<link>http://www.alattimore.com/archives/235#comment-69</link>
		<author>Alan Lattimore</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 May 2004 06:36:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Trent And Jeff -

Thanks to both of you. I hope the readers of this blog are paying attention because there's a lot of weighted, carefully considered experience behind these gentlemen.

Trent -

I could easily see first person being tough to work a name into--especially in the short form--and I wouldn't want an author to strain for something arbitrary. That was certainly my assumption when I started writing the article: 3rd person, give me a name; first person, probably not. But then I realized it might be easier than I thought, that you could pick a verbal conflict that reveals the name of &#34;I.&#34;

That's what I love about these discussions. I can't participate without learning something. In the case of &#34;Taking Names for the Purge,&#34; it was that I'm an asshole.

I was off in my conclusion of &#34;give me a name or give me a search for identity.&#34; Jeff enlarges the answer and makes it more useful with his test: &#34;does it serve the story?&#34; I like that attitude. I'm a functionalist. Any wild shit goes as long as it serves the story.

After Jeff's post I'll have to go dink out some story in which I play games with the relationship between name and identity. I don't like the idea of predestination, therefore I don't like the idea that names either reveal or dictate personality. Of course, in the fictive world, they're supposed to.

I'll have to go back to the drawing board and reformulate what really bothered me about namelessness. Jeff is right. Merely assigning a name (can't tell the players without a scorecard) isn't going to suddenly make any of these stories more interesting or coherent. Possibly I'm looking at three results--no name; minimal sense of identity; rather generic character--where the cause is something else and I just lack the balls to come out and say the character wasn't accessible to me as a reader.

I don't know if its my place to come forward to say &#34;and I think it's because the writer doesn't have good access to the characgter.&#34; If it was someone I really, really liked and respected, I might tell them in private. Where it's clearly within my realm to comment about the text as it appears on the page, I don't think its any of my stinking business how it got there.

Since I'm feeling my way through the dark on this, I'm certainly open to input.

As always, best regards,
Alan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trent And Jeff -</p>
<p>Thanks to both of you. I hope the readers of this blog are paying attention because there&#8217;s a lot of weighted, carefully considered experience behind these gentlemen.</p>
<p>Trent -</p>
<p>I could easily see first person being tough to work a name into&#8211;especially in the short form&#8211;and I wouldn&#8217;t want an author to strain for something arbitrary. That was certainly my assumption when I started writing the article: 3rd person, give me a name; first person, probably not. But then I realized it might be easier than I thought, that you could pick a verbal conflict that reveals the name of &quot;I.&quot;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what I love about these discussions. I can&#8217;t participate without learning something. In the case of &quot;Taking Names for the Purge,&quot; it was that I&#8217;m an asshole.</p>
<p>I was off in my conclusion of &quot;give me a name or give me a search for identity.&quot; Jeff enlarges the answer and makes it more useful with his test: &quot;does it serve the story?&quot; I like that attitude. I&#8217;m a functionalist. Any wild shit goes as long as it serves the story.</p>
<p>After Jeff&#8217;s post I&#8217;ll have to go dink out some story in which I play games with the relationship between name and identity. I don&#8217;t like the idea of predestination, therefore I don&#8217;t like the idea that names either reveal or dictate personality. Of course, in the fictive world, they&#8217;re supposed to.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll have to go back to the drawing board and reformulate what really bothered me about namelessness. Jeff is right. Merely assigning a name (can&#8217;t tell the players without a scorecard) isn&#8217;t going to suddenly make any of these stories more interesting or coherent. Possibly I&#8217;m looking at three results&#8211;no name; minimal sense of identity; rather generic character&#8211;where the cause is something else and I just lack the balls to come out and say the character wasn&#8217;t accessible to me as a reader.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if its my place to come forward to say &quot;and I think it&#8217;s because the writer doesn&#8217;t have good access to the characgter.&quot; If it was someone I really, really liked and respected, I might tell them in private. Where it&#8217;s clearly within my realm to comment about the text as it appears on the page, I don&#8217;t think its any of my stinking business how it got there.</p>
<p>Since I&#8217;m feeling my way through the dark on this, I&#8217;m certainly open to input.</p>
<p>As always, best regards,<br />
Alan</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Lattimore</title>
		<link>http://www.alattimore.com/archives/235#comment-73</link>
		<author>Alan Lattimore</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 May 2004 06:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&#34;Emanuel Cant&#34; is the fictitious name Getrude Vibrenstein attaches to the spam she sends offering numerous discount medicines  purporting to improve sexual performance. She imagines the name is both witty and worldly as she sits in her home office, ordered from IKEA for just this purpose, and waits for her desktop to show that it has completed sending 1.2 million pieces of spam. It usually takes about an hour.

So far, she's sold three orders this week. It won't even cover the fees she paid for all of the addresses. She wonders if she should try &#34;work at home&#34; stuffing envelopes instead.

One of the orders is to a P. O. box right here in Roxbury, right up the road from where she lives. She wonders if it could be for her husband, now two months divorced.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Emanuel Cant&quot; is the fictitious name Getrude Vibrenstein attaches to the spam she sends offering numerous discount medicines  purporting to improve sexual performance. She imagines the name is both witty and worldly as she sits in her home office, ordered from IKEA for just this purpose, and waits for her desktop to show that it has completed sending 1.2 million pieces of spam. It usually takes about an hour.</p>
<p>So far, she&#8217;s sold three orders this week. It won&#8217;t even cover the fees she paid for all of the addresses. She wonders if she should try &quot;work at home&quot; stuffing envelopes instead.</p>
<p>One of the orders is to a P. O. box right here in Roxbury, right up the road from where she lives. She wonders if it could be for her husband, now two months divorced.</p>
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